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	<title>Comments on: PHARM Podcast 48 &#8211; Multinational PHARM panel discussion on emergency procedural sedation</title>
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		<title>By: rfdsdoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks Alex ! 
here is the 2012 US military update to their battlefield analgesia prehospital protocols 

http://www.vighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DHB-Memo-120308-Ketamine.pdf

note the intranasal dosage of ketamine. remember its for analgesia objective not sedation.

for sedation, intranasally, I have used the traditional IMI dosing .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Alex !<br />
here is the 2012 US military update to their battlefield analgesia prehospital protocols </p>
<p><a href="http://www.vighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DHB-Memo-120308-Ketamine.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DHB-Memo-120308-Ketamine.pdf</a></p>
<p>note the intranasal dosage of ketamine. remember its for analgesia objective not sedation.</p>
<p>for sedation, intranasally, I have used the traditional IMI dosing .</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Sammel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander Sammel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thankyou again for this really nice occasion to learn and share. It was a real pleasure! 
Surely we still will see the use of Ketamine only and with other mixes expand some more... 

Just here the link to that interesting page we mentioned: 

http://www.intranasal.net/Home/default.htm

Scroll to the Fentanyl/Ketamine section for details and literature 
(note mention of a case from Cliff Reid ;-)

I remember reading these references by the US Army from the site (one of them only 
partly, when you get to the different scores for the 43rd rifle shooting test morphine-ketamine
it&#039;s tiring). 
What really called my attention was the slide-show reference with one slide (nr.5) with perhaps 
the two most interesting points: 

Quote:
&quot;Optimal (IN) dose is 30-50 mg&quot;
&quot;Absolute bioavailability is 35,5%&quot; (suppose IN vs IV?!)

in the same slide they mention 18 mg as iv analgesic dose (might be, used it already like 
that in a few cases with my own made-up calculation of 0,3 mg/kg iv to good effect) 
but the the 280 mg/kg iv as anesthetic dose is in my opinion/experience quite more than needed (well, perhaps I&#039;m not taking in account obese soldiers?).

But with IN Ketamine, so far, the very sparse literature has very varying doses for analgesia thresholds, whereas that means we still have to find the optimal dose or reflects a great interindividual difference I&#039;m not sure...

Anyways, so far the IN route stays interesting, I&#039;m looking forward to hear/read more about this great option in the future. 

I&#039;d love to hear of your thoughts/opinions and perhaps IN dosing tips!?

Stay safe and as always: take good care of yourselves and others...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou again for this really nice occasion to learn and share. It was a real pleasure!<br />
Surely we still will see the use of Ketamine only and with other mixes expand some more&#8230; </p>
<p>Just here the link to that interesting page we mentioned: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.intranasal.net/Home/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.intranasal.net/Home/default.htm</a></p>
<p>Scroll to the Fentanyl/Ketamine section for details and literature<br />
(note mention of a case from Cliff Reid <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I remember reading these references by the US Army from the site (one of them only<br />
partly, when you get to the different scores for the 43rd rifle shooting test morphine-ketamine<br />
it&#8217;s tiring).<br />
What really called my attention was the slide-show reference with one slide (nr.5) with perhaps<br />
the two most interesting points: </p>
<p>Quote:<br />
&#8220;Optimal (IN) dose is 30-50 mg&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Absolute bioavailability is 35,5%&#8221; (suppose IN vs IV?!)</p>
<p>in the same slide they mention 18 mg as iv analgesic dose (might be, used it already like<br />
that in a few cases with my own made-up calculation of 0,3 mg/kg iv to good effect)<br />
but the the 280 mg/kg iv as anesthetic dose is in my opinion/experience quite more than needed (well, perhaps I&#8217;m not taking in account obese soldiers?).</p>
<p>But with IN Ketamine, so far, the very sparse literature has very varying doses for analgesia thresholds, whereas that means we still have to find the optimal dose or reflects a great interindividual difference I&#8217;m not sure&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyways, so far the IN route stays interesting, I&#8217;m looking forward to hear/read more about this great option in the future. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear of your thoughts/opinions and perhaps IN dosing tips!?</p>
<p>Stay safe and as always: take good care of yourselves and others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo D'Apuzzo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is always something to learn! Thanks to all for your tips on this relevant topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is always something to learn! Thanks to all for your tips on this relevant topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerio Pisano (@Docvpb)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerio Pisano (@Docvpb)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi! Minh thanks for this great talk!!!Glad to hear the point of view and experiences of docs in this part of the world especially by my italian collegue Mattia!!!As a Ketamine fan I found very interesting its experimental intranasal use  by US army; I hope to try it in the next future when on deployment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Minh thanks for this great talk!!!Glad to hear the point of view and experiences of docs in this part of the world especially by my italian collegue Mattia!!!As a Ketamine fan I found very interesting its experimental intranasal use  by US army; I hope to try it in the next future when on deployment.</p>
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